Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 12:39:15 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V93 #1436 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Wed, 8 Dec 93 Volume 93 : Issue 1436 Today's Topics: Are the Regs available by anonymous ftp? CENSORSHIP WARNING cruise-ship HT use Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 04 December Help! Any Europe GATEWAYS? How to Calibrate an SWR meter Mods -> Kenwood TS450 R/C Aircraft Radio Shack Inverted - V Scratchi, January, 1960 (2 msgs) TM-732A??? UHa (U of Hartford) club active? Wanted: 11C90 Prescalar Chip (3 msgs) Where do I find gorilla hooks? Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Dec 1993 07:12:41 -0500 From: psinntp!satelnet.org!satelnet.org!usenet@uunet.uu.net Subject: Are the Regs available by anonymous ftp? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I haven't read the FCC Amateur Radio Regulations in years. I don't even remember the part number (is it 97?) Are the regs available by anonymous FTP? Or do I have to buy a copy of the ARRL License Manual (assuming they are still in it.) Scott Pallack kj4wt/x-kb4tr/x-wb9mta/x-wa2glh/x-wn2glh Anyone else out there ever hold both a novice and tech (non-conditional) simultaneously? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 18:45:22 EST From: paperboy.ids.net!anomaly.sbs.com!kd1nr!system@uunet.uu.net Subject: CENSORSHIP WARNING To: info-hams@ucsd.edu jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) writes: > > This notice is to warn all net posters that within our elements is a > small group that is attempting to practice censorship; if they do not > agree with your viewpoint, they will contact your postmaster to > complain that you are intentionally attempting to create animosity > on the net or that your article has no relation to the newsgroup topic. > > One person has done this to me [re: BARF = Bestiality Amateur Radio > Fraternity, which was my tongue-in-check response to the Lambda > gay radio club {BTW, my postmaster thought the BARF article was funny}]; > now, someone else, who has been posting articles on .policy in which > some have found a little offensive, has been reported to his postmaster > [which is funny, since he is the postmaster of the system he posts > from!]. > > So, my friends, beware! There is no absolute freedom of speech on > .misc and .policy. These folks will decide when you've crossed the line > [which they themselves have drawn] as to what's ``proper'' and what's not. > [And they're doing this from their corporate accounts on company time; > hmmm, I wonder if their employers realize this....] Jeff, Come on over to the SBS folks. We have a bulletproof feed. People can bitch, whine and complain about things you post to no avail. And if someone doesn't like that... awwwww... too bad. Tony _______________________________________________________________________ o o Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR, Control Op 441.750+, ARRL VE \ / system @ hades.cdp.org Soon W5YI VE \__/ _______(oo) Cow humor. Sort of like the Far Side. /| ___ \/ / | {MTV}|| MoooTV - Rockin' Bumpin' and Funkin' into the 90's * ||{___}|| ||-----|| (And people thought my last .sig was long, ha!) ^^ ^^ __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 93 20:04:40 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: cruise-ship HT use To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Next Summer, a Ukrainian-flag cruise ship is departing Montreal for outer banks and St Pierre/Miquelon (French territorial), and return. Some travel will be in international waters. Assuming permission from the ship's captain, who/what agencies do I need recip. licensing from, for HT operation? France? Ukraine? Wife? --- aaahh - scratch last -- I'll deal with that separately. Paul Marsh N0ZAU Omaha ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1993 12:19:17 MST From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!nebulus!ve6mgs!usenet@ames.arpa Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 04 December To: info-hams@ucsd.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY 04 DECEMBER, 1993 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data) SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 04 DECEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------------ !!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 338, 12/04/93 10.7 FLUX=105 90-AVG=096 SSN=099 BKI=1011 2221 BAI=004 BGND-XRAY=B2.2 FLU1=9.7E+05 FLU10=1.1E+04 PKI=2222 2232 PAI=008 BOU-DEV=005,003,005,009,015,019,013,005 DEV-AVG=009 NT SWF=00:000 XRAY-MAX= B8.3 @ 1437UT XRAY-MIN= B1.8 @ 2315UT XRAY-AVG= B2.8 NEUTN-MAX= +001% @ 2325UT NEUTN-MIN= -003% @ 1540UT NEUTN-AVG= -0.2% PCA-MAX= +0.0DB @ 2340UT PCA-MIN= -0.4DB @ 1300UT PCA-AVG= -0.0DB BOUTF-MAX=55358NT @ 1435UT BOUTF-MIN=55338NT @ 2009UT BOUTF-AVG=55350NT GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT G7-AVG=+072,+000,+000 GOES6-MAX=P:+123NT@ 1727UT GOES6-MIN=N:-071NT@ 1005UT G6-AVG=+095,+025,-044 FLUXFCST=STD:105,105,100;SESC:105,105,100 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,010/010,010,010 KFCST=0003 4000 0003 4000 27DAY-AP=019,014 27DAY-KP=4243 3334 4333 3432 WARNINGS=*SWF ALERTS= !!END-DATA!! NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 03 DEC 93 was 49.4. The Full Kp Indices for 03 DEC 93 are: 6- 5o 6- 5o 4+ 3- 3o 2+ SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY -------------------- Solar activity was low by virtue of a single C1/SF flare in Region 7629 (S22E42) at 04/0117UT. This region was the most productive of the past 24 hours but the remainder of its flares were B-class sub faints. This region grew to a DAO over the past 24 hours while Region 7627 (S18E17) decayed somewhat. Region 7630 (S10E41) also showed growth and has emerged as a CAO spot group. Solar activity forecast: solar activity is expected to be very low to low for the entire forecast period. Regions 7627, 7629 and 7630 all have fair C-class potential and an outside chance of an isolated M-class flare. The geomagnetic field has been at mostly quiet to unsettled levels for the past 24 hours Geophysical activity forecast: the geomagnetic field is expected to be quiet to unsettled for the entire forecast period. Event probabilities 05 dec-07 dec Class M 15/15/15 Class X 01/01/01 Proton 01/01/01 PCAF Green Geomagnetic activity probabilities 05 dec-07 dec A. Middle Latitudes Active 15/15/15 Minor Storm 05/05/05 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 B. High Latitudes Active 20/20/15 Minor Storm 10/10/10 Major-Severe Storm 01/01/01 HF propagation conditions were below-normal during approximately the first half of the UTC day, but returned to near-normal over most regions by the end of the UTC day. Conditions are expected to remain near-normal over the next 72 hours, through 07 December inclusive. COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS ======================================================== REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 04/2400Z DECEMBER ----------------------------------------------------------- NMBR LOCATION LO AREA Z LL NN MAG TYPE 7623 S11W39 161 0040 CRO 05 003 BETA 7624 N03W71 193 0170 CAO 12 005 BETA 7625 S15W63 185 0000 AXX 01 002 ALPHA 7627 S18E15 107 0120 CSO 10 012 BETA 7629 S22E42 080 0120 DAO 07 012 BETA 7630 S10E41 081 0030 CAO 03 005 BETA 7626 N27W53 175 PLAGE REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 05 DECEMBER TO 07 DECEMBER NMBR LAT LO NONE LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 04 DECEMBER, 1993 ------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END RGN LOC XRAY OP 245MHZ 10CM SWEEP NONE POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 04 DECEMBER, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------- BEGIN MAX END LOCATION TYPE SIZE DUR II IV 03/A2038 B1241 S20W61 DSF 04/A1302 B1751 N34W14 DSF INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 04/2400Z --------------------------------------------------- ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS EAST SOUTH WEST NORTH CAR TYPE POL AREA OBSN 51 N48E07 N12W49 N18W63 N50W31 159 EXT POS 026 10830A SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn 2695 MHz 8800 MHz 15.4 GHz ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------- --------- --------- 03 Dec: 0641 0645 0656 B3.8 1135 1139 1142 B4.4 1348 1353 A1418 SF 7627 S17E41 1657 1658 1703 SF 7627 S19E39 1801 1805 1808 SF 7627 S18E39 1932 1938 1945 SF 7629 S22E57 2241 2248 2303 B6.8 REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY ------------------------------------------------ C M X S 1 2 3 4 Total (%) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- ------ Region 7627: 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 003 (42.9) Region 7629: 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 001 (14.3) Uncorrellated: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 003 (42.9) Total Events: 007 optical and x-ray. EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------- Date Begin Max End Xray Op Region Locn Sweeps/Optical Observations ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- -- ------ ------ --------------------------- 03 Dec: 0641 0645 0656 B3.8 II,III NOTES: All times are in Universal Time (UT). Characters preceding begin, max, and end times are defined as: B = Before, U = Uncertain, A = After. All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the x-rays. Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times. Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include: II = Type II Sweep Frequency Event III = Type III Sweep IV = Type IV Sweep V = Type V Sweep Continuum = Continuum Radio Event Loop = Loop Prominence System, Spray = Limb Spray, Surge = Bright Limb Surge, EPL = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb. ** End of Daily Report ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 11:32:31 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!gdt!aber!news@ames.arpa Subject: Help! Any Europe GATEWAYS? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello there, This is a quick plea, does anybody know of a gateway between packet and Internet that I could use, that is in Europe? Any ideas please let me know! MAIL: g0hxu@gb7wrc.#16.gbr.eu (my internet address is not valid until next year, as I leave the University for Christmas) 73s de Simon G0HXU. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 93 13:24:44 GMT From: ogicse!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: How to Calibrate an SWR meter To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1993Dec7.113436.4194@bradford.ac.uk> K.E.Walton@bradford.ac.uk (KE WALTON) writes: > >On the front of the meter it has got a 'Calibrate' Pot, and a switch marked >FWD and REF not REV for reverse but REF for referance, is it the >same difference ? That's REF for REFlected. >On the meter it is has got several scales, 1 to 5 acros the top with 3 to >5 in red, at 5 it has got a point marked set, and underneath it has got a >scale going from 1 to 3 but reading 0 to 25 % > >So If I understand it right, with no reflective power ( ie a dummy load >straight on the output) and the switch in FWD mode I should set the needle >to the 'set' point ( 5 ) when I am TX on full power. Then with the switch >on REF it should read zero ( reflective power). > >With the output open and TX full ( being carefull not to blow my rig up ) >the reflected power should equal the output power. Don't do the latter. Most modern transmitters, aside from HTs, will be unhappy transmitting into an open connection. What you want to do is reverse the connections to the meter. Now when you transmit into the dummy, *without touching the CAL pot*, you should see a reading of zero in the FWD position and full scale in the REF direction of the switch. You probably won't however, and that will indicate how far from perfect the bridge balance is. In typical monimatch meters there's little you can do about this except note it and subtract the error when taking readings. The top scale of the meter is an analog computer that calculates SWR from the forward and reflected voltages. The 3 to 5 region is in red because that's the danger zone for many solid state no tune radios. With the meter in the circuit correctly, not reversed, you put the switch in FWD, adjust the CAL pot to bring the meter to the SET mark, flip the switch to REF and read the SWR directly off the top scale. A true directional wattmeter, such as a Bird, works somewhat differently. With it, you rotate the sensing slug to the forward direction, transmit and read the forward power off the meter scale, reverse the element, read the reverse power off the meter scale, and then consult the chart, or use the formulas, to calculate SWR. There is no CAL pot. The individual slugs are calibrated for frequency and power level at the factory. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | I kill you, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | You kill me, | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | We're the Manson Family | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -sorry Barney | ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 93 09:43:01 GMT From: world!Gumby@uunet.uu.net Subject: Mods -> Kenwood TS450 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hi, My friend asked me to post this, as that he is looking for ANY modifications for the Kenwood TS-450. He wants it to be able to TX/RX 11 Meters. But mods for this radio are desired... Email Please gumby@ace.com gumby@world.std.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 93 06:09:10 GMT From: ogicse!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!dcr117@network.ucsd.edu Subject: R/C Aircraft To: info-hams@ucsd.edu You ask: 'What is the largest R/C plane built/allowed?' The largest that I know of, which is now, dead, and may not be the largest to date was a B-29 scale ship with a 30 foot wingspan... It weighed either 150 or 375 pounds. For some reason, I can't figure out which... It used 4 100cc modified chainsaw engines (made by Quadra) spinning four 39 inch, four bladed propellers... You ask: 'What kinda money we talkin?' Anywahere from $500.00 on up... The B-29 mentioned above must have cost MANY thousands of dollars... ($10,000 ... $50,000 ... etc) I don't know... In order to get a bird up in the air as you would like, you must be looking at a pretty big ship. Something in the 30-40-50 lb range, with all these computers and sensors and packet radio things... That will cost easily into the thousands of dollars... Propellers for airplanes like these cost $15.00 to $40-$80, and when you break them on landings, which WILL happen, probably, you get to replace... :-( The big birds generally cost MUCHO dinero... Hope this helps, and I hope I answered some questions for you... 73 and happy flying... -Danny ------------------------------ Date: 02 Dec 93 19:29:05 From: pravda.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!paris.ics.uci.edu!ofa123!ofa123!Sean.Reigle!f203.n103.z1.fidonet.org@network. Subject: Radio Shack Inverted - V To: info-hams@ucsd.edu * Forwarded by Sean Reigle using SuperBBS 1.17-3 * Original message : Date: 12-02-93 19:27 From: Sean Reigle To : All Subj: Radio Shack Inverted - V Any HAMs out there know if Radio Shack's Inverted - V SW listening antenna (pg 95 of 1994's catalogue only) can be loaded up on any of the HF bands with an antenna and ground tuner? (My antenna tuner is in a Pi network, if your wondering ). It lists it for listening to 60, 49, 41, 31, 25, 21, 19, 16, 13, and 11 meters. Overall length is 65 feet. $39.99 Please respond via this area, Thanks Sean Reigle Kd6sxq (40m CW novice operator) --- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 1993 15:19:13 GMT From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!dave!dm_johnson@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Scratchi, January, 1960 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Greg, Myron should not have to explain intent until true offense, not pc offense, has been indicated. By your intent we should disallow reproductions of bible text because they slur certain pc categories. Dj ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 93 14:58:41 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: Scratchi, January, 1960 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu >The "Scratchi" features, while they may have been acceptable and even >amusing in the context of contemporary culture, are not consistent with >present-day cultural and ethical sensibilities. They are representative >of a time when it was okay to ridicule people of differing races. so it's off to the doublespeak labs with old data! the past must be removed and made to look like it's never been different than today! (maybe reading 1984 is in order here...) (or is it that today is just like the past and we pretend that there is no slavery etc.... or do we have to make up stereotypes to feed a bureaucracy responsible for removing them such that people are categorized into a class from which there is no possibility of escape - all white people are racists, all black people are criminals, etc. ) >If Myron's point is that the column represents an illustration that >an issue being discussed in this forum has been with us for at least >33 years, there may be some redeeming value to the posting. that's basically it...and it's funny too (since i've also done instructing and have had similar situations happen even to this day..). not everyone speaks good english.....and how else would you represent this in written text? >Greg i'd suggest spending a day in a library with old mags of the time. i suspect that by and large we suffer from having too many hams that are too prim and proper and fear that even seeing a beer will cause one to fail a breath test. and don't read things like the old Popeye's. Segar had to make him a "blastid gentlemin" under orders from the syndicate. Disney's "Fantasia" is out as are a lot of films from the 30's and 40's some might consider "classic". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 21:48:08 GMT From: ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!ki5zw!corey@network.ucsd.edu Subject: TM-732A??? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I believe some one had already posted a message requesting information on mods for the 732A. I missed it... If anyone has mods for the TM-732A could you please send them my way via E-Mail to corey@KI5ZW.ampr.org I would sure apprecitate it. Thank you. Corey Croci AB5IM ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 93 21:14:49 -0600 From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!mrtnt.ntrs.com!tntvax!ddb@network.ucsd.edu Subject: UHa (U of Hartford) club active? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I'm looking for anyone from the University Of Hartford Amateur Radio Club (WA1OBY?). Dan Bowker NY9K (Class of '84) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 1993 12:51:17 -0500 From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!babbage.ece.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!ucunix.san.uc.edu!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Wanted: 11C90 Prescalar Chip To: info-hams@ucsd.edu A buddy needs the 11C90 Prescalar Chip for the ARRL Handbook frequency counter design--it's the -only- thing left he hasn't got. He's checked what we feel are most of the "usual sources" (Jameco, MCM, etc., etc.) and they either "don't stock them anymore" or have run out and don't know if/when they'll ever get more. Even Debco here in town is "fresh out." I've given him the "parts list" from the net but does anyone know a retailer/reseller who -HAS- this in stock, still? Thanks for any replies direct to me, or you can probably send the info direct to Jim, N8INP@K8SCH if this fits into the new rules...(-: Theodore Allan (Ted) Morris, University of Cincinnati Medical Center, 513-558-0177V, -2682F, MORRIS@UCUNIX.SAN.UC.EDU, MORRISTA@UC.EDU, WB8VNV Previous politically-incorrect tag-line removed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 06:38:44 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!crisp@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Wanted: 11C90 Prescalar Chip To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2665@arrl.org> ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare - KA1CV) writes: >In rec.radio.amateur.misc, morris@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Ted Morris) writes: > >>A buddy needs the 11C90 Prescalar Chip for the ARRL Handbook frequency >>counter design--it's the -only- thing left he hasn't got. He's checked >>what we feel are most of the "usual sources" (Jameco, MCM, etc., etc.) >>and they either "don't stock them anymore" or have run out and don't >>know if/when they'll ever get more. Even Debco here in town is "fresh >>out." > >Gee, nobody thought to ask US! :-). > >The 11C90 was discontinued. Here are the possible sources we have >located, but they will all dry up sooner or later. > Abou a year ago I got three samples of thhe 11C90 for free from the current manufacturer, National Semiconductor. I suggest calling a sales office for National or one of their distributors. Sorry all of mine are spoken for :-) -- Richard Crisp Cupertino, Ca. crisp@netcom.com (415) 903-3832 wk (408) 253 4541 fax "one useless man is a disgrace, two are a law firm, and three? The beginning of a Congress" -anonymous from the Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 DEC 93 22:05:20 EST From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Wanted: 11C90 Prescalar Chip To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Try Ramsey Electronics @ 716-924-4560 I believe they use it in their counters. If no luck, send me a message - I may have some lying around. Jack WX3P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 93 23:01:04 GMT From: sequent!muncher.sequent.com!dale@uunet.uu.net Subject: Where do I find gorilla hooks? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In the past all my tower work has been using a standard climbing belt. I recently did some tower work with a couple fellows that used a full body harness and belt. The also had a couple 3 foot ropes that hooked to the harness with a small clip at the harness and to the tower with what was called a "gorilla" hook. This is a large hook that is quite quick and easy to hook and unhook from the tower. One of these guys worked for the city and said that the 'official' policy was that they could not free climb so they used these while moving on the tower and then belted in when they got to the working position. I've deciced that I'm going to give this technique a try. (Mostly due to breaking a wrist after falling 15 feet, and figuring that 150 feet would be at least 10X as painfull. :-) Fall was from roof and not tower related.) I got a good body harness for $70 and now I want a couple of these 3 foot ropes and hooks. A place that advertises in QST sells them for $39 each. I'm having a hard time spending as much on two of these as I did on the body harness. So I would like to find some place to buy just these hooks and I will attach the ropes. I have checked with two safety supply stores in town including the place that carried the harness. No luck so far, so does anyone know where to get these? 73, Dale, N7PEX. -- dale@sequent.com OR uunet!sequent!dale Dale Mosby 503-578-9842 N7PEX // Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. 15450 SW Koll Parkway // Beaverton, Or. 97006-6063 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 16:39:26 GMT From: library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <2dvabk$3og@mailer.fsu.edu>, , <1993Dec6.172531.25131@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman) Subject : Re: ARRL's callsign admin position In article <1993Dec6.172531.25131@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jmaynard@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Jay Maynard) writes: >In article , Greg Bullough wrote: >>As far as I can tell, the ARRL's position is that they are the one and only >>voice of Amateur Radio in the US, > >They _are_ the only organization for _all_ hams. I may not agree with them all >the time, but there simply is no alternative. They aren't the only organization for hams, and in fact they don't even count a majority of current amateurs as members. They are the largest single US ham organization, but don't forget NARA. SERA, AMSAT, TAPR, probably several DXer groups, and the QCWA are all representative of at least 5% of US amateurs, as are several of the VEC groups. Yes the ARRL purports to represent *all* amateurs, but in reality they are mainly representative of the DXers, contesters, and ARES types who depend on the ARRL to manage their activities. >> 2) Having been told by League officers and staffers that if I >> left the ARRL, I was giving up all of my representation in >> Washington (as if I don't vote in Federal elections?). > >...but your representation as a voter is not necessarily the same, or even >close to the same, as your representation as a ham via ARRL. ARRL has the only >ham radio lobbyist in Washington. ARRL currently has the only full time paid lobbyist in Washington, but it was not always so. Wayne's old alternate organization had the first paid lobbyist, and all the other major bodies have at least part time volunteer representation in Washington. I believe I heard that NARA intends to register a full time lobbyist too. >> 3) Having watched, over the years, the ARRL's vigorous >> opposition to anyone or anything which presumed to encroach >> on 'its' territory. Particularly unfortunate, IMO, have been >> some of the underhanded efforts to silence anyone who would >> either compete for a role or present an opposing opinion. > >Such as? (Wayne Green is an oft-cited example, but if he's the best you can >come up with, you simply don't have a case: he's consistently predicted doom >and gloom, and been consistently wrong. He's no more than the Howard Stern of >ham magazines.) The ARRL's attack on SERA is the latest example of their efforts to stifle other organizations who they think stand in their way. Their attacks on Wayne have been long standing, and dirty, but that's not all they've done to try to retain hegemony over amateur radio. Even inside the ARRL, the old guard has done everything in their power to stifle dissent among the troops. The directors and the volunteers form a strong "old boy" network that squelches dissent with a vengence. That's why there have been attempts at alternative organizations, reform from within has been nearly impossible. It's mainly the result of the grim reaper that the ARRL has changed at all in recent years. Note, I don't think there's a secret cabal controlling the ARRL with evil intent. It just looks that way sometimes because the old boy network is so strongly entrenched, and it's members are so fossilized in their thinking. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | I kill you, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | You kill me, | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | We're the Manson Family | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | -sorry Barney | ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V93 #1436 ****************************** ******************************